I have a feeling I'm going to dig myself into a hole here. Despite that, I'm going to proceed. I've been thiking about this topic for a while, and chatting with both men and women about it.
In the past four months, I have been on dates with three different men who have had fluctuant careers. One of them was an MD-PhD who is doing a post-doc, which means a hectic schedule and many hours in the lab. Two of them worked for or were founding members for start-ups in San Francisco. Two of these men I only went on one date with. One of them was somewhat interested but could only manage one date and canceled the second citing busy-ness with his job. The third, I went on four dates with. Let's call him Daniel.
Daniel was attractive, extremely intelligent, thoughtful, and had a sweet smile and good old Midwestern manners. He was also in his late 30's, lived with roommates, and worked for a start-up he felt passionately about that paid him no money. He was well-rounded, creative, artistic, active, and taught me something new everytime I went on a date with him. I also learned as early as the first date that he was losing sleep over his job situation. I immediately noted it as a red flag worth following. In the end, this was the red flag that did us in. Despite good chemistry and a great intellectual connection, Daniel was too wound up in his career/financial situation to be open to a relationship. And I had already guessed that this would likely be the case, despite the fact that I was (surprising to myself) willing to be patient about the situation.
Psychologists have long studied the multi-tasking abilities of men and women. In general, women are much better multi-taskers. This probably has an evolutionary basis--women historically (and still) need to balance children, domestic affairs, and now add in career mix. Men have evolved to be better at single-tasking--i.e. focus on hunting, focus on sex, etc. So, it makes sense that several men I have dated are unable to multitask dating and their careers. But I think it's more complicated than that.
I think there is this societal (or perceived internal) pressure on men to be the "breadwinners." Now, if you look at this NY Times article on "More Men Marrying Wealthier Women," you'll realize that we are at a crossroads in history today, where women of a certain generation are generally more likely to have college degrees and careers that earn a high income than men. That historical shift has still not intersected with men pressuring themselves to be "settled" in their careers. I had an interesting discussion with one of my male family members a few months ago. He is in his mid-twenties and has been dating his girlfriend for several years. When I asked him if he thought he would marry her, he said he wouldn't be able to decide for many more years, until he finished medical school and residency. The truth was, he just didn't know. And he wouldn't know until he was "settled."
In a discussion with a female friend last night about the woes of dating in San Francisco, we realized that the men we complain about--the ones who are flaky about dating because they are working for start-ups, have erratic hours, feel unsettled--are also the ones we find interesting. Perhaps it is because that kind of work attracts people who are intelligent, passionate, and ambitious--all characteristics that we find highly desirable in a mate. Or perhaps we are just suckers. Or perhaps it is just that a city like San Francisco attracts so many of these men that they make up a good portion of the single male pool. Whatever it is, in the end it always comes down to timing. His cab light will only go on once he feels like he's financially stable. And at that point, the next woman who gets into the cab is in for the ride of a lifetime. Until then, I guess I'll just keep paying my fare.
RIP - Davy Jones
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It's seriously so much about timing. Yesterday in yoga class I chatted with a girl I had met in a previous class. I knew she was married (ring), but it was such a huge tease because we connected so well. You know that unspoken spark you just feel with someone? Yeah, it was that.
I met her husband yesterday as well (he went with her). Seemed like a nice guy.
I agree it's an innate ability-thing, but also something different with how men feel about their careers. We can work hard at our careers, and become very successful...but it doesn't define us as women the way a man's career success defines him. This point explains why men feel more insecure dating 'up' (i.e. their manhood is threatened).
You ... See Morealso may notice that when a man has something impt going on at work, it is THE most impt thing in his life -- vs a woman for whom it might just be AN impt thing in her life. She may ask to reschedule a date if there's a big conflict, but more often than not she finds ways to work around things so she can have her cake and eat it too.
And when you've dated 'down' (terrible phrase, but you know what I mean), you may noticed that, even though the man knows what you do for a living (i.e. dealing with people's lives on a minute-by-minute basis), when he has office/work drama or deadlines or stress, it's SOOO impt. I've never pulled rank on these guys, but they sure make it tempting to do so...
While I agree with you about career stability being key for men before we can make serious investments on the relationship front, I disagree on this link to multitasking. Yes, us men may not be as good as women at multitasking, but that does not handicap us with our ability to date.
I think you underestimate society's expectation of men to be established within their careers - it goes beyond just being the "breadwinner". According to society, a man's career is what defines him as a “man”. Successful men aren't really defined by their wives or children. Rather, we talk about what he accomplished in his professional career – i.e., he won this prize or made so much money. A career is what gains him wealth and respect in society, not his wife or kids (for the most part).
And our modern day society has taken the career expectation to a higher level than ever before - there is greater pressure on a man to be established within his career today than ever before in history. Check out one of my favorite TED talk that talks about this: http://blog.ted.com/2009/07/a_kinder_gentle.php ... essentially, because of our seemingly meritocratic society, "never before have expectations been so high" about our careers. We're told that if we're smart/skilled and work hard, we can build successful careers and thus gain wealth and respect. And anyone who doesn't succeed within their careers is a "loser" and considered a failure. Talk about pressure!
With so much riding on career success, it’s no wonder that it takes priority over everything else – including dating and relationships. Once we build the career foundation, only then can we afford to invest in relationships.
So, it’s not about multitasking (i.e., doing both in parallel); for us, it happens sequentially. Think of it like building a house: the man’s career is the foundation of the house; relationship is the 1st floor built on top of the foundation and kids are the 2nd floor. And until the foundation is in good shape, the 1st floor can't be added on.
I've had an interesting comment thread on this post but it happened on my FB page...am transferring it over here...
Soni: @Ravi -- I think you make our point. The fact that men feel their career is THE most impt thing for so long, they feel they can't deal with anything else significant at the same time...i.e. they can't handle succeeding at both at the same time.
Women, on the other hand, are able to achieve the same career success and still value relationships as ... See Morepriorities in their lives. Our careers don't start to suffer (or lag behind those of our male counterparts) until we decide to have kids, so obviously it can be done! (As an aside, I can't tell you the number of married girlfriends I have who tell me their spouse can't take care of the kids and accomplish anything else in the house at the same time, whereas for women this has been their full-time job for centuries).
This narrow focus on career also lends itself to men being 'unavailable' in their 20s and early 30s, and then once they wake up and realize they really want a relationship they are able to dip down into girls 10yrs younger who are more impressed with all they've accomplished and can still bear them children according to their career schedule.
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Myself: interesting discussion and I do think that Ravi is completely proving my original point--men have decreased ability or desire to multitask their career with relationships or other priorities in their lives. Women have figured out how to do this and do it well....and yes, hence that is exactly what causes the dating age gap with older men dating ...
Soni: I think what's to 'blame' (if anything) is that very tight correlation of manhood to career success which Ravi speaks of. Regardless of what century we're in, men like to feel like men and women like women. We can have any level of career success, but still like to try to look pretty, feel pampered, and nurture children to some degree. If a man didn't make me feel attractive in some way, I don't think I could feel that 'chemistry' that we like to feel with the opposite sex. In the same vain, I think men have a harder time feeling like 'men' when they assume their very definition of manhood is taken for granted b/c a girl's career success rivals or surpasses his.
Now I think it's a lot easier for men to make a woman feel attractive (by a touch or simple compliment) than to ask women to back off their career paths so men will feel better being with them. Hence this supposed (self-imposed?) 'societal expectation' of men needs a little loosening up to keep up with the times.
Ravi: @Soni & @Bina: You're missing my point! :) Yes, I agree that us men build our career "foundation" before we can add floors. What I'm trying to add is that it's not as simple as you say: "men have decreased ability or desire to multitask their career with relationships or other priorities in their lives. Women have figured out how to do this and do it well."
It's not about our desire or ability to multitask a relationship - that's a very simplistic caricaturization. What you're missing in your analysis is the impact of society's expectations on building a career. I think men are more driven (by society) to build a successful career because so much in society is riding on it - everything from finding the "ideal" (according to media) woman, respect, and wealth. And per the TED talk, without this career success, we're made to feel like an epic failure in our meritocratic society.
You're implying that we're unable to do both, what I'm trying to say is that we're forced to choose career above all because we've been bred to believe that everything else happens only after we build the biggest “foundation” that we possibly can....
Ravi: @Soni, I just saw your post after I posted my last comment and checked my email. Yes, the correlation of manhood to career success is what I was referring to - but, it's much bigger than that. We've been conditioned to believe that career success begets life success (mate/respect/wealth). Without it, we're an epic failure in life.
We focus all of our energies on building the biggest foundation that we can to achieve maximum life success.
Another male commentor:
I'm ok with dating "rank up." That less I have to worry about :). I think happiness and $$$ do not always correlate.
Soni said: @Ravi - even if we assume that's all true re: the incredible societal pressure, 1) Women's ability/choice to do both at once does not seem to be costing them career success (at least until they have kids and end up on "the Mommy track") and 2) Young men are passing up relationship success in order to focus on career success, because they think that... See More's what they need to really get relationship success(?!)
All arrows point toward the fact that men don't really *need* to follow this linear path to achieve their goals, they either prefer to or are too overwhelmed to do it any other way.
In other words they choose not to (or can't) multi-task their work and personal lives the way women do. Q.E.D.!!! :)
Hey all,
Thanks for your wonderful comments. I agree with Soni that Ravi is proving my original point that: a)Men can't/won't multitask, b)There is a lot of societal pressure for men to achieve success in their careers despite the fact that shifting demographics in education between the genders makes it less important for them to be "successful," c) because of both a) and b), a gal basically has to wait for a man to feel "settled" before he'll prioritize a relationship. All generalizations of course and not everyone fits the mold, but I think we know many who do...And it doesn't mean that once a man is settled he's ready either. I know many successful men in SF who then use the badge of that success to date every hot chick they come across :-).
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